10:44pm
James: k + evin = kevin
10:44pm
Me: ok
10:44pm
James: guess wot
10:44pm
Me: wat
10:44pm
James: look on my wall
10:44pm
Me: u joined the navy?
10:45pm
James: read the bottom part of the seal...
10:45pm
Me: Marines
10:45pm
James: yep
10:46pm
Me: you dont seem like the type to join the military. Unless its the cyber defense branch of the air force
10:46pm
James: I'm sure that branch is laughable
and any high ranking officer that walked into that room would have it shut down immediately
air force is no place for shit like that
10:54pm
James: wow kevin
i could vanish from the internet for like half a year
and you say *nothing*
10:54pm
Me: what was I supposed to respond to?
10:55pm
James: i was responding to your comment on the AF
10:55pm
Me: you think they're useless? Bomb Pakistani's. Fly away. Mission Accomplished
10:56pm
James: i was talking about the cyber warfare part
not the remote control drones
10:56pm
Me: who else will defend us from chinese hackers?
10:56pm
James: the NSA?
maybe they could do their fucking job
instead of spying on us
10:57pm
Me: yes!
whats you view on occupy wall st?
10:57pm
James: i don't like what i see
10:58pm
Me: too many vendetta masks?
10:58pm
James: not enough guy Fawkes masks
10:58pm
Me: aren't they the same?
10:58pm
James: i was just saying
u can never have too many
but what i see is basically a dystopia
it's a whole bunch of people who are pissed off about something they don't know what it is
and they're pretending to be doing something about it
by pissing all over the place
to make it all even worse
ACORN is now trying to organize the whole thing
11:00pm
Me: isn't ACORN dead?
11:00pm
James: not at all
it's reorganized
same people
same goals
11:00pm
Me: we need a communist revolution
11:00pm
James: no communist revolution ever went well
I'm sorry no socialist revolution
the communist parts worked pretty well
but no one wants communism, they want socialism
11:01pm
Me: who will be our lenin?
11:01pm
James: read 1984
11:01pm
Me: I plan to
Did you read Jobs' biography?
11:02pm
James: not yet
if you read 1984
you'll start to understand everything
11:02pm
Me: I have the e-book on my kindle
11:02pm
James: i have it on iBooks
it will tell you why the masses are so stupid
11:03pm
Me: so true
11:03pm
James: they're called proles in 1984
short for proletariat
11:04pm
Me: did you see the film the End of America? It shows how 1984 is slowly unfolding into reality
11:04pm
James: oh my what we are turning into will be much worse
it's not solid yet
but we have a merger of government and enterprise
11:04pm
Me: fascism?
11:04pm
James: exactly
the NSA is our Gestapo
"thought police"
11:05pm
Me: and the TSA
11:05pm
James: they're kiddies compared to NSA
a key tenant of fascism is that the interests of the state are #1
11:06pm
Me: where should we seek asylum? Iceland looks very nice
11:06pm
James: impossible
read 1984
11:06pm
Me: what about russia or China?
11:06pm
James: globalization is a corner stone of the final stages of control
russia and china are probably closer than we are to total control
golden shield gets stronger and strong
stronger*
we still have freedom, which is worth fighting for
11:07pm
Me: a bunker in Svalbard? Switzerland?
11:08pm
James: running won't hel
help*
11:08pm
Me: the moon
11:08pm
James: it's up to us, the people who understand, to correct the problems
the masses will do nothing but occupy wall st. and march with funny revolutionary era outfits
11:09pm
Me: so what do we do? does 1984 have the answer?
11:09pm
James: no
1984 is more like a guide to total control
but in that
we can understand how to avoid it
11:10pm
Me: how can we avoid a fate that the government controls?
11:11pm
James: it's not the government we need to be worried about
not so much as the corporate powers
a point orwell makes is that
in every revolution that ever occured
the middle enlisted the low to overthrow the high
the middle become the new high and the low are kept low
then the new middle just forms
thus, revolution is not the answer
11:12pm
Me: But what if you were to create a classless society?
11:12pm
James: joseph stalin once said that society cannot ever be classless
11:13pm
Me: Sweden does it pretty well
11:13pm
James: sweden is no example
no european country is
the eurozone is completely fucked up
11:13pm
Me: sweden doesn't use the euro
11:14pm
James: it's still affected by the european economy
it may use its own currency
but the EU is intertwined
11:15pm
Me: Norway?
11:15pm
James: human nature makes anything impossible
if you apply socialism to a society
people will just stop working and collect money
like they do now
welfare is a blessing for lazy people
11:16pm
Me: so there is no answer?
11:16pm
James: unless there is a way to control human thought
11:16pm
Me: thinkpol
11:16pm
James: thought police maintains order
Oceania in 1984 would last forever because it's an ordered society
11:17pm
Me: there is no chance of an uprising?
11:17pm
James: who would uprise?
11:17pm
Me: the proles?
11:18pm
James: they are too stupid to do it properly
revolution is not the answer
11:18pm
Me: back to square 1
11:18pm
James: think about it
11:18pm
Me: so basically, we need to go back to a tribal, nomadic society?
11:18pm
James: by some magical circumstance somehow a whole bunch of people manage to overthrow our federal government
the next thing they will do is sit at the desks they just cleared
no
the masses need to wake up
the federal government is out of options
11:19pm
Me: but revolution isn't the answer?
11:19pm
James: our federal government does want to help, but is unable to because of corporate interests
not at all
you push a king off his throne
then sit it in and realize how comfortable it is
our federal government is slave to corporate interests
11:20pm
Me: So Anarchy is the answer?
11:20pm
James: no
by law, a corporation must do all it can to maximize its profits
a corporation's share holders will throw out anyone who doesn't agree to this
11:21pm
Me: Anarchy=No law
11:21pm
James: we need law
our economy is weak because no corporation wants to manufacture products here it's too expensive
the world's economy is based on material gods
goods*
11:22pm
Me: so how do you ultimately limit corporate power?
11:22pm
James: there is no answer to that
it's not possible
11:23pm
Me: my brain is full of fuck. Im archiving this conversation
11:23pm
James: lol
a corporation MUST do all it can to make the most money for its shareholders
11:23pm
Me: what if everyone was a shareholder?
11:24pm
James: who's everyone?
11:24pm
Me: all people
11:24pm
James: that goes back to the proles being fucking idiots
a prole would never show its face at a stockholders meeting
a prole wouldn't care. it just wants its money
employee owned companies are slightly different but they don't have the power that regular corporations have
11:25pm
Me: If you eliminate capitalism, then corporations cant exist?
11:25pm
James: we need capitalism
we would not be communicating if it weren't for capitalism
11:26pm
Me: id never thought Id hear you say that lol
11:26pm
James: we would have never reached the stars...
it's true
11:26pm
Me: the USSR reached the stars
11:26pm
James: why? because we were doing it
competition = capitalism
the telephone network inspired the creation of the ARPANET
the telephone was invented because Bell had an idea and people were able to capitalize on it
11:27pm
Me: so Biological Evolution = Capitalism too?
11:27pm
James: survival of the fittest
except biological creatures can't buy god
11:28pm
Me: we can
11:28pm
James: we're getting very close to dangerous research
you don't fuck with the human genome
11:28pm
Me: by playing god?
11:28pm
James: E=mc^2
11:28pm
Me: mutants everywhere! Resident evil IRL
11:28pm
James: you know what that means right?
11:29pm
Me: didn't they disprove that with CERN?
11:29pm
James: no
neutrinos don't have mass
11:29pm
Me: neither does light
11:29pm
James: yes it does. sort of...
electrons have a very very minuscule mass
but back to my point
E=mc^2
11:30pm
Me: light is waves
11:30pm
James: WANT TO ARGUE QUANTUM PHYSICS WAVES VS PHOTONS???
11:30pm
Me: I dont understand such things
11:30pm
James: light is waves until it interacts with matter
quantum physics
but that's not why i brought up that formula
11:31pm
Me: how does E=mc^2 equate to 1984?
11:31pm
James: it doesn't
it equates to playing god
11:31pm
Me: how? its just a law
11:32pm
James: 1984 advocates stopping all meaningful scientific research
11:32pm
Me: well dont spoil it
11:32pm
James: Oceania no longer had a need to study science
back to E=mc^2
every piece of matter can be converted to energy
11:32pm
Me: true
11:32pm
James: once we figure out how to do that to any matter, the world will be destroyed
11:33pm
Me: we destroy our own universe? we couldn't possibly become that stupid
11:33pm
James: the cold war was SO close to destroying earth
11:33pm
Me: with nukes, not super science
11:33pm
James: you can see an image of two tanks in berlin facing off. american and soviet. one shot and the world would not exist right now
11:34pm
Me: nukes can only do so much damage
11:34pm
James: a nuke is just a creative way to convert mass into energy
a very very small amount of mass
11:35pm
Me: we'd wipe ourselves out before we could launch enough nukes to destroy the universe
11:35pm
James: if we ever unlocked the secrets of matter
the prospect of gaining infinite power would make anyone want to get that knowledge
threaten the world to surrender or that person would destroy it
11:36pm
Me: wait, can energy exist if there is no matter?
11:36pm
James: energy is energy
somehow the universe is supposed to balance matter and energy
11:37pm
Me: they only way you can truly destory matter/energy is with anti-matter
11:38pm
James: that's debatable
but in theory, there is no way to anihillate anything
a positron and an electron annihilate into a photon
but that photon will turn back into a positron and an electron
11:39pm
Me: this has drifted off topic
11:40pm
James: yes but it's cool
photon = light btw
11:40pm
Me: i know
11:40pm
James: the point is
power
11:40pm
Me: my brother wants to study physics, he might like this stuff
11:41pm
James: this topic was brought up because of capitalism's connection to science
science is derived from ambition with is encouraged by capitalism regulated by democracy which is supposed to be powered by the masses
11:41pm
Me: /thread
11:42pm
James: just in case the NSA is reading this
im not against the feds at all :D
11:42pm
Me: WE KNOW TOO MUCH!!! DBAN YOUR HARD DRIVE!
11:42pm
James: rm -rf /
11:42pm
Me: that works too
11:42pm
James: sudo rm -rf /
11:43pm
Me: I have a paper to write. Good talk.







