James: k + evin = kevin
James: guess wot
James: look on my wall
Me: u joined the navy?
James: read the bottom part of the seal...
Me: you dont seem like the type to join the military. Unless its the cyber defense branch of the air force
James: I'm sure that branch is laughable
and any high ranking officer that walked into that room would have it shut down immediately
air force is no place for shit like that
James: wow kevin
i could vanish from the internet for like half a year
and you say *nothing*
Me: what was I supposed to respond to?
James: i was responding to your comment on the AF
Me: you think they're useless? Bomb Pakistani's. Fly away. Mission Accomplished
James: i was talking about the cyber warfare part
not the remote control drones
Me: who else will defend us from chinese hackers?
James: the NSA?
maybe they could do their fucking job
instead of spying on us
whats you view on occupy wall st?
James: i don't like what i see
Me: too many vendetta masks?
James: not enough guy Fawkes masks
Me: aren't they the same?
James: i was just saying
u can never have too many
but what i see is basically a dystopia
it's a whole bunch of people who are pissed off about something they don't know what it is
and they're pretending to be doing something about it
by pissing all over the place
to make it all even worse
ACORN is now trying to organize the whole thing
Me: isn't ACORN dead?
James: not at all
Me: we need a communist revolution
James: no communist revolution ever went well
I'm sorry no socialist revolution
the communist parts worked pretty well
but no one wants communism, they want socialism
Me: who will be our lenin?
James: read 1984
Me: I plan to
Did you read Jobs' biography?
James: not yet
if you read 1984
you'll start to understand everything
Me: I have the e-book on my kindle
James: i have it on iBooks
it will tell you why the masses are so stupid
Me: so true
James: they're called proles in 1984
short for proletariat
Me: did you see the film the End of America? It shows how 1984 is slowly unfolding into reality
James: oh my what we are turning into will be much worse
it's not solid yet
but we have a merger of government and enterprise
the NSA is our Gestapo
Me: and the TSA
James: they're kiddies compared to NSA
a key tenant of fascism is that the interests of the state are #1
Me: where should we seek asylum? Iceland looks very nice
Me: what about russia or China?
James: globalization is a corner stone of the final stages of control
russia and china are probably closer than we are to total control
golden shield gets stronger and strong
we still have freedom, which is worth fighting for
Me: a bunker in Svalbard? Switzerland?
James: running won't hel
Me: the moon
James: it's up to us, the people who understand, to correct the problems
the masses will do nothing but occupy wall st. and march with funny revolutionary era outfits
Me: so what do we do? does 1984 have the answer?
1984 is more like a guide to total control
but in that
we can understand how to avoid it
Me: how can we avoid a fate that the government controls?
James: it's not the government we need to be worried about
not so much as the corporate powers
a point orwell makes is that
in every revolution that ever occured
the middle enlisted the low to overthrow the high
the middle become the new high and the low are kept low
then the new middle just forms
thus, revolution is not the answer
Me: But what if you were to create a classless society?
James: joseph stalin once said that society cannot ever be classless
Me: Sweden does it pretty well
James: sweden is no example
no european country is
the eurozone is completely fucked up
Me: sweden doesn't use the euro
James: it's still affected by the european economy
it may use its own currency
but the EU is intertwined
James: human nature makes anything impossible
if you apply socialism to a society
people will just stop working and collect money
like they do now
welfare is a blessing for lazy people
Me: so there is no answer?
James: unless there is a way to control human thought
James: thought police maintains order
Oceania in 1984 would last forever because it's an ordered society
Me: there is no chance of an uprising?
James: who would uprise?
Me: the proles?
James: they are too stupid to do it properly
revolution is not the answer
Me: back to square 1
James: think about it
Me: so basically, we need to go back to a tribal, nomadic society?
James: by some magical circumstance somehow a whole bunch of people manage to overthrow our federal government
the next thing they will do is sit at the desks they just cleared
the masses need to wake up
the federal government is out of options
Me: but revolution isn't the answer?
James: our federal government does want to help, but is unable to because of corporate interests
not at all
you push a king off his throne
then sit it in and realize how comfortable it is
our federal government is slave to corporate interests
Me: So Anarchy is the answer?
by law, a corporation must do all it can to maximize its profits
a corporation's share holders will throw out anyone who doesn't agree to this
Me: Anarchy=No law
James: we need law
our economy is weak because no corporation wants to manufacture products here it's too expensive
the world's economy is based on material gods
Me: so how do you ultimately limit corporate power?
James: there is no answer to that
it's not possible
Me: my brain is full of fuck. Im archiving this conversation
a corporation MUST do all it can to make the most money for its shareholders
Me: what if everyone was a shareholder?
James: who's everyone?
Me: all people
James: that goes back to the proles being fucking idiots
a prole would never show its face at a stockholders meeting
a prole wouldn't care. it just wants its money
employee owned companies are slightly different but they don't have the power that regular corporations have
Me: If you eliminate capitalism, then corporations cant exist?
James: we need capitalism
we would not be communicating if it weren't for capitalism
Me: id never thought Id hear you say that lol
James: we would have never reached the stars...
Me: the USSR reached the stars
James: why? because we were doing it
competition = capitalism
the telephone network inspired the creation of the ARPANET
the telephone was invented because Bell had an idea and people were able to capitalize on it
Me: so Biological Evolution = Capitalism too?
James: survival of the fittest
except biological creatures can't buy god
Me: we can
James: we're getting very close to dangerous research
you don't fuck with the human genome
Me: by playing god?
Me: mutants everywhere! Resident evil IRL
James: you know what that means right?
Me: didn't they disprove that with CERN?
neutrinos don't have mass
Me: neither does light
James: yes it does. sort of...
electrons have a very very minuscule mass
but back to my point
Me: light is waves
James: WANT TO ARGUE QUANTUM PHYSICS WAVES VS PHOTONS???
Me: I dont understand such things
James: light is waves until it interacts with matter
but that's not why i brought up that formula
Me: how does E=mc^2 equate to 1984?
James: it doesn't
it equates to playing god
Me: how? its just a law
James: 1984 advocates stopping all meaningful scientific research
Me: well dont spoil it
James: Oceania no longer had a need to study science
back to E=mc^2
every piece of matter can be converted to energy
James: once we figure out how to do that to any matter, the world will be destroyed
Me: we destroy our own universe? we couldn't possibly become that stupid
James: the cold war was SO close to destroying earth
Me: with nukes, not super science
James: you can see an image of two tanks in berlin facing off. american and soviet. one shot and the world would not exist right now
Me: nukes can only do so much damage
James: a nuke is just a creative way to convert mass into energy
a very very small amount of mass
Me: we'd wipe ourselves out before we could launch enough nukes to destroy the universe
James: if we ever unlocked the secrets of matter
the prospect of gaining infinite power would make anyone want to get that knowledge
threaten the world to surrender or that person would destroy it
Me: wait, can energy exist if there is no matter?
James: energy is energy
somehow the universe is supposed to balance matter and energy
Me: they only way you can truly destory matter/energy is with anti-matter
James: that's debatable
but in theory, there is no way to anihillate anything
a positron and an electron annihilate into a photon
but that photon will turn back into a positron and an electron
Me: this has drifted off topic
James: yes but it's cool
photon = light btw
Me: i know
James: the point is
Me: my brother wants to study physics, he might like this stuff
James: this topic was brought up because of capitalism's connection to science
science is derived from ambition with is encouraged by capitalism regulated by democracy which is supposed to be powered by the masses
James: just in case the NSA is reading this
im not against the feds at all :D
Me: WE KNOW TOO MUCH!!! DBAN YOUR HARD DRIVE!
James: rm -rf /
Me: that works too
James: sudo rm -rf /
Me: I have a paper to write. Good talk.